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well (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14126685)

unbelievable nothing has been posted yet.

i figure i'll drop something in here so this thread doesn't feel bad.

Re:well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14126711)

That's because TFA was actually posted about 10 minutes ago (not 5 hours). Anyone know what's going on with these magically appearing posts by Hemos?

First the articles are late.. (0, Redundant)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126765)

and then they come in and there's a dupe! Come on editors, you had ample time to check them for dupes where they disappeared on you.

Re:First the articles are late.. (1)

spiff42 (718678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127635)

Come on editors, you had ample time to check them for dupes where they disappeared on you.

I first thought that was why there were no articles: Someone actually filtered out the dupes. :-P

/spiff

x86 only (3, Interesting)

b0r1s (170449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126774)

Very nice to see outside companies pushing for certification, it's just too bad, x86_64 would have been nice. I know many server-farms going from Xeon to Opteron, and partial certification isn't going to help those pushing newer hardware.
 

Re:x86 only (2, Insightful)

Ceriel Nosforit (682174) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127643)

I run Opteron on my destop and tested the 64bit version of Breezy on it some time ago. There's a lot of packages missing, so the apt-get niceness is often useless.
While desktop use is grealy different from server use, it does stand to show what the situation is like ATM. If the 64 bit version of Breezy came with full support for 32 bit packages then all would be OK, but for some reason one has to set up the compability manually, and how to do that is far from obvious.

I wouldn't be surpised if some dev decided not to include 32 bit support natively as to prompt people to supply 64 bit code instead of relying on the 32 bit support. However, this sort of strong-arming doesn't work well with people who supply time an effort voluntarily.
AMD's idea was to run 64 bit and 32 bit simultaneously until the 32 bit applications are no longer useful. There's no need to force 64 bit on anyone.
(Note. This paragraph is a big IF. I'm not saying this is the way things are.)

I switched back to 32 bit Breezy for my desktop after I noticed how hopeless the situation was. Sad to say, it was Macromedia's lack of support for 64 bit Flash that was the last drop. Can't have a desktop without Flash these days, it seems. =(

Why? (0, Flamebait)

sqeaky (874667) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126780)

Seriously why would you use a Non Mysql/Postgresql database on linux. In Ubuntu the most complicated it could be would be adding the approriate repo's then apt getting what you need, but commercial software is rarely that easy.

Two reasons you would use DB2 on Linux (5, Informative)

DenialS (21305) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126944)

DB2 really isn't too hard to install on Ubuntu -- see the DB2 HOWTO [tldp.org] for instructions.

One good reason to use DB2 is that neither MySQL nor PostgreSQL can scale to the same size of database as DB2. Using DB2's "Distributed Partitioning Facility", or DPF, with DB2 Enterprise Server Edition [ibm.com] you can partition data over hundreds of machines using a shared-nothing approach. This means you can create a data warehouse of a hundred terabytes that 1) appears to your applications as just a single database 2) retrieves query results blazing fast (this is the "shared nothing" part; each machine knows what data it is responsible for, so a query that comes in to the database is automatically distributed to the responsble machines, which go off and do their work, then return the results to a single co-ordinator that pipes them back to the application -- it's like RAID-0 for databases).

It's certainly possible to create a multi-terabyte database using MySQL or PostgreSQL -- but you're going to be waiting way the hell longer to get a result back from your queries.

Reason 2: You get support from IBM. IBM lives and dies by its enterprise level support -- 24x7 customer service around the world. Sure, you can purchase support from MySQL AB or from some PostgreSQL shop, but it's not going to approach the level of service that you'll get from IBM. In fact, to get a level of support comparable to what IBM offers for DB2 Express [ibm.com] at $4874 for the first year and $1218/year for support after the first year, you would need to buy MySQL Network Gold for $2995/year. So after two years, going with DB2 Express will actually cost you less than half of what MySQL support will cost!

Re:Two reasons you would use DB2 on Linux (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127176)

I dunno. I've dealt with IBM, and you may be able to submit an APR 24/7, but that doesn't mean your problem will be resolved within the next month...

Re:Two reasons you would use DB2 on Linux (2, Insightful)

commanderfoxtrot (115784) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127754)

One good reason to use DB2 is that neither MySQL nor PostgreSQL can scale to the same size of database as DB2. Using DB2's "Distributed Partitioning Facility", or DPF, with DB2 Enterprise Server Edition you can partition data over hundreds of machines using a shared-nothing approach. This means you can create a data warehouse of a hundred terabytes that 1) appears to your applications as just a single database 2) retrieves query results blazing fast (this is the "shared nothing" part; each machine knows what data it is responsible for, so a query that comes in to the database is automatically distributed to the responsble machines, which go off and do their work, then return the results to a single co-ordinator that pipes them back to the application -- it's like RAID-0 for databases).


I completely agree with the above statement, but if you are using PostgreSQL for big Tb+ databases, the new 8.1 version has some partitioning-like features which will really help.

Re:Two reasons you would use DB2 on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14128301)

Yea, but would the MySQL support guys wear ties? Huh?

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14126974)

Because you already have a DB2 licence.
Because your application requires DB2.
Because your company is DB2 site licenced.
Because your developers might be comfortable/familiar with DB2.
Because DB2 came bundled with some other software.
Because all your other servers are running DB2.
Because we live in a world where changing your OS no longer means changing your database vendor.
Because is is a seriously kick-arse fantastic database.
Because someone answers the phone (and usually has a solution) when you call with a database problem.
Because someone is paid paid to be accountable.
Because you're told to.
Because you like the product.

errr..... was I just trolled????

Re:Why? (-1, Flamebait)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127132)

not to mention you can build high-performance db2 clusters, someday postgresql will be able to do that, doubtful mysql could ever be that advanced, it's a toy

Re:Why? (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 8 years ago | (#14128082)

Because your clients demand Linux (because they don't like the idea of Windows on a server) and Oracle (because the big-name backing gives them the warm fuzzies).

Yes, we have a couple of clients running (small) sites backed by MySQL, but almost all of our larger DB-based sites use Oracle (one or two use MS SQL Server) running on Linux. Up until about 3 months ago, Linux/Oracle also powered our largest DB-based site. Now that title is going to Solaris/Oracle instead, but only because our hosting centre doesn't support x64 yet.

Well done! (3, Interesting)

millennial (830897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126821)

I adore Ubuntu. I had Mandrake running on one of my boxen for a while. When I did a system upgrade that included updates to Samba, I found I could no longer START Samba. Which pissed me off, because I was using this system as a file server for my Windows machines.
So I installed Ubuntu instead, and although I've updated both my kernel and Samba, my configuration is intact, and it runs perfectly. I'm running 5.10 (Breezy Badger), and so far I love it. It's quick, it's intuitive, it's user-friendly, it's FREE, and it's robust.
Only one problem... I can't get my nVidia card to install the GLX drivers. Not that I have EVER been able to do that under Linux on that box... but that's another story.
Ubuntu + samba + me = love.

Re:Well done! (2, Interesting)

bmo (77928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126925)

I don't know if this is a dupe or not, but I do recall that this is not "news" because this factiod is not NEW. It's great that IBM gives Ubuntu its seal of approval, but this doesn't excite me as much as what would happen if there was a new WordPerfect for Linux.

As for your problem:

I had no problem with the Nvidia GL drivers that came with (k)ubuntu. I've gone from SuSE 10 to (k)ubuntu for 3 weeks now, and I still haven't had any pressing issues that would make me go back to SuSE.

Perhaps, instead of using the ubuntu Nvidia drivers packages, go to Nvidia themselves and download the all-in-one installer and run it. That's the sure-fire way to do it, as there is even a *manual* install if the all-in-one script doesn't work. It is _important_ that you follow directions and do this without running. I recommend doing it from init 1, just to be belt-and-suspenders sure.

A side note: Earlier this year, I had purchased a 19" LCD. I had not convinced myself that I needed to exchange my video card with one that had DVI. I'm a cheap bastid. Well, after upgrading to the cheapest DVI output card out there (the other requirement besides cheap was NO FAN!). The fuzziness is _gone_ as the monitor no longer has to interpret the VGA signal back to digital. All resolutions work now. Text is now tack sharp, which was the driving force going to DVI.

--
BMO

Re:Well done! (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126937)

Meh.

Hit submit too soon.

"It is _important_ that you follow directions and do this without running."

should be:

"It is _important_ that you follow directions and do this without running X."

--
BMO

Re:Well done! (1)

millennial (830897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14134843)

I've figured out the problem. Apparently I need the nvidia-glx-legacy drivers, not the plain old nvidia-glx drivers. Oy...

Re:Well done! [OT] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127094)

Try this:
Section "Device"
                Option "NvAGP" "1"
That was the key to my success.
Maybe it matters that I am using an nForce2 chipset.
Best of luck, Ubuntu is very nice.

Re:Well done! (1)

psymastr (684406) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127174)

I like Ubuntu too, been using it for a couple of days and didn't have to boot back into windows once. What got me though is the video acceleration. I isntalled snes9x and tried to play some snes games, they go way too slow and can't go fullscrenn.

Also, the highest resolution I can get is 1024*768 and things look way too clunky and *big* on my desktop. Any tips?

Re:Well done! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127178)

I have an mx4000. great little low-priced 3d graphics card!
Anyway, apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settings

then after all that, run sudo nvidia-glx-config

restart X. voila, things work fine for me.

Re:Well done! (3, Informative)

JaniHalinen (770824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127418)

Only one problem... I can't get my nVidia card to install the GLX drivers. Not that I have EVER been able to do that under Linux on that box... but that's another story.

http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver/ [ubuntuguide.org]

I used those instructions to install Nvidia drivers for my laptop. Works great.

Re:Well done! (1)

millennial (830897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14134322)

I followed those instructions, did a "modprobe nvidia" under a failafe (no X) session, and the error I get is: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/volatile/nvidia.ko): No such device Which confuses me. If I try "insmod /......./nvidia.ko" I get: insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/volatile/nvidia.ko': -1 No such device Which also confuses me. Any ideas? I'm using an nVidia GeForce 2 TI, which shows up under lsmod as "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15DDR [GeForce2 Ti] (rev a4)".

Nvidia with digital flat panel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127750)

Some monitors misreport their frequency settings. E.g. IBM T55-D. You have to correct this by hand in your X config or when you start it up, you'll just get a black screen. This is the monitor's fault as it doesn't report the right numbers when queried.

Re:Well done! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14129512)

I had Mandrake running on one of my boxen for a while. When I did a system upgrade that included updates to Samba, I found I could no longer START Samba. Which pissed me off, because I was using this system as a file server for my Windows machines.
So I installed Ubuntu instead, and although I've updated both my kernel and Samba, my configuration is intact, and it runs perfectly. I'm running 5.10 (Breezy Badger), and so far I love it. It's quick, it's intuitive, it's user-friendly, it's FREE, and it's robust.


It's things like this that make me really wonder about the competence of some of the people running Linux. You not only re-installed the system, but changed distros, because one daemon wouldn't start? You know Samba has like one config file, right? You couldn't just figure out why it wasn't starting and fix it?

Re:Well done! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14129902)

Hmmm... sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx?

Example (5, Funny)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126842)

select story, count(*) as dupe from slashdot group by story having count(*) > 1;

Re:Example (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127363)

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ';
select story, count(*) as dupe from slashdot group by story having count(*) >' at line 1;

faster method? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14166761)

select story, count(*) as dupe from slashdot where story not in ( select story from slashdot where count(*) < 2 group by story ) group by story ;

Wow, twice? (4, Funny)

Evro (18923) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126891)

Cool, double certification must be better than single, right?

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/09/ 0547215&tid=163&tid=190 [slashdot.org]

Re:Wow, twice? (1)

xsspd2004 (801486) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127948)

I think part of the dupe problem may be that Slashdot's search function needs some work. I did a search for the words (Ubuntu IBM DB2) before I submitted the story. That article was not returned.

In any case, I'm sorry for causing the dupe.

Re:Wow, twice? (1)

Evro (18923) | more than 8 years ago | (#14131166)

Well the onus shouldn't fall on the readership to sort out the dupes, it should fall on the editors, since on a site like this, that's all they do. They clearly don't do any "editing" of the content, they just sift through the submissions and choose a few to post. They are the ones who need to do the dupe checking, and while Slashdot's search feature is indeed crappy, Google has a pretty fresh crawl of Slashdot in its db:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aslashd ot.org+db2+ubuntu&btnG=Google+Search [google.com]

Most dupes could be avoided with simple searches like that on the part of the editors, and being programmers they could easily tie the submission process in to Google's search API, but for whatever reason choose not to.

Five article posted before anyone noticed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14126907)

Proof that the editors don't read the front page!

Acrobat (5, Funny)

Centurix (249778) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126966)

My passion is loading surprise PDF's into by browser. I can't get enough of them.

Re:Acrobat (1)

nemik (909434) | more than 8 years ago | (#14126992)

My passion is loading surprise PDF's into by browser. I can't get enough of them. you caught a cold? or a virus?

Re:Acrobat (4, Informative)

jZnat (793348) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127022)

Clear out your Acrobat plugins folder (the ones that load on startup) to dramatically improve performance.

Re:Acrobat (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127239)

I just looked, and there's a LOT of stuff in there. Isn't deleting this stuff going to cripple my copy of Acrobat?

DON'T DELETE THAT STUFF! (1)

Rhinobird (151521) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127382)

move it from the plug ins folder to the optional folder. That way acrobat only loads up what it needs when it needs it.

or was is optional to plug_ins? either way, just move the stuff, don't delete.

Re:Acrobat (1)

HvitRavn (813950) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127684)

Use Foxit [foxitsoftware.com], free and fast PDF reader. And when I say fast, I mean really fast. Adobe (with removed plugin dir and various other tuneups) isn't even in the same class, by far. Try it and you'll see.

Re:Acrobat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127716)

Foxit's anti-aliasing sucks. Fonts hurt my eye.

Re:Acrobat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127696)

Install Foxit as your reader...it is super fast!

Re:Acrobat (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14129555)

My passion is whining about PDFs rather than configuring my browser to download them instead of displaying them inline.

need help... (0, Offtopic)

Foktip (736679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127088)

ubuntu doesnt support my laptops keyboard! its a fujitsu N3010, and it detects it as German or something. i checked their message boards, and quite a few others had the same problem, but no solutions were posted. also, google searches brought up no solutions. thats why im posting this. does anyone know a way to turn off automatic keyboard detection in ubuntu?

Re:need help... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127146)

you're going to then run db2, right? if so then you're on topic and we can help you, otherwise we're just going to mod you down into the bowels of hell

Re:need help... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127277)

you're going to then run db2, right? if so then you're on topic and we can help you, otherwise we're just going to mod you down into the bowels of hell

I'm trying to install db2, but need to get ubuntu up and running first. Now can I please have some help with my problem? : )

Re:need help... (0, Troll)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127610)

Now can I please have some help with my problem? : )

No. Try posting on one of the Microsoft support groups instead - they are just as relevant.

Better still - stop trying to use Linux. Yes, that's right - just give up. It's too hard for you.

You know all those articles you read about how Linux was aiming for world domination and all the efforts going in to making the Linux desktop easy for everybody to use? Well, they're crap. The journalists made them all up.

In reality, not a single one of us cares whether you ever manage to install Linux at all. Do you think we all have a party to celebrate every time a new idiot manages to click their way through the Ubuntu/Fedora installer?

Let's face it, if you do ever get your keyboard working it will just allow you to post more stupid questions in more inappropriate forums more quickly.

Re:need help... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127338)

During the installation, one of the first three qeustions ask your keyboard type. Select English explicitly. Otherwise, try also setting it up via the System menu if it has already been installed...

the touching (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127109)

lol "ubuntu"

better link - not a pdf (4, Informative)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127124)

here are the Linux distros which are validated (including Ubuntu x86) and also those "validated and reccommended" [ibm.com]

Where is Debian? (1)

vhogemann (797994) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127444)

Why isn't Debian Listed?

Ok, Ubuntu might be a peach to use on the desktop, but I won't give up on my STABLE Debian Servers.

Seriously, is it because there is no big enterprize behind Debian? I went to an Oracle presentation, and when we asked for Debian support they say that Debian doesn't have "official vendor support". Then I replied, "What do you mean? We're the support, we know our needs and we know our servers, there is no need here for vendor support!".

Debian has been a mature, rock-solid stable distribution for yeas now. And it has a looooong life cycle, so there is no libc or gcc changes that make difficult for any major software vendor to support it!

Why IBM and Oracle forces me to buy a support licence from RedHat or Novell to run their products? Why can't them support Debian? Why IBM support UBUNTU and fail to support Debian?

Re:Where is Debian? (1)

angrykeyboarder (791722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127587)

You imply that Ubuntu is not as stable as Debian. I disagree. Ubuntu manages to take source code from Debian testing and unstable packages and make it stable in a relatively short period of time. Debian takes years to accomplish the same thing.

Debian just has too many "cooks" that "spoil the broth".

Re:Where is Debian? (1)

vhogemann (797994) | more than 8 years ago | (#14136408)

Ubuntu might be as stable as Debian Etch (TESTING), but it isn't stable as Sarge is.

Also, why not support Debian? It's an easy target... there are no frequent release cycle, there are no frequent compiler toolchain changes, no frequent libraries updates.

Debian should be easier to support than Ubuntu, with their 6 month release cycle, and constant binary compatibility breakage between releases!!

Re:Where is Debian? (1)

angrykeyboarder (791722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14140310)

Just how "stable" does something have to be? My software works. My system doesn't crash. And unlike Sarge, it's current.

And just becaue Ubuntu has a 6-month release cycle, there's nothing forcing one to upgrade every 6 months.

On a related note, I wonder if Debian will really truly abanodon it's recent *three year* "release cycle". ;-)

Re:Where is Debian? (2, Insightful)

Erik Hensema (12898) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127649)

I'm probably going to be moderated as Troll for saying this:

Debian is a very hard target to develop for. It's primarily a platform for nerds wanting to have it their own way. Yes, that's the fundamental freedom open source gives you. However, that also means there's a lot of diversity even in debian stable. There is no such thing as the debian. It's always 'debian with this-and-that choices made during installation and this-and-that changes to the default setup (yay, let's make two completely different init systems available!)'.

Ubuntu makes decisions for the end-user. Less diversity. A lot less. This makes ubuntu easier to support. Do you want to sit at the phone asking a debian user what choices and customisations he made?

One last serious question: you want a database server. It must talk SQL. As a trained professional, do you really care what distribution runs on the server? Do you even care about the cost? Those databases don't come cheap, you know.

Re:Where is Debian? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14133967)

Debian focuses on making everything work on 12 architectures, while these other distros are more focused on platforms where Oracle can run.

about the dupes....... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14127340)

so much has been said. what is most puzzling is that dont the editors have tool which let them tag articles. so if a ubuntu+ibm article comes in how much time wuld it take to find all other articles with the same tag?

What is ubuntu (1)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127502)

By that I mean, what is ubuntu, and what is not ubuntu.

Take the latest unbuntu - how much of it is 'added' to what it was before it was ubuntu (debian right?)

I am curious - all distro's should publish this in details, perhaps a standard format.

What made this dupe so special? (1, Interesting)

angrykeyboarder (791722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127624)

Several times, my stories have been rejected as dupes, yet this one which practially hit me in the face screaming as dupe (as soon as I saw the headline) makes it through? What's the deal /.?

Not to mention, this isn't just a dupe it's also old news [yahoo.com]

so where's the sources.list entries? (3, Insightful)

ilmdba (84076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14127690)

one of these days, oracle or ibm or someone big will get off their ass, and just set up repositories for the apt, and you'll be able to 'apt-get install oracle' or 'apt-get install db2'

then i'll be impressed.

Re:so where's the sources.list entries? (1)

ahodgson (74077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14129541)

Probably right after apt gets the ability to ask for your credit card number. The one with a limit high enough to buy a house.

Re:so where's the sources.list entries? (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14129641)

Not gonna happen. They need to make you click through the EULA. (Or at least, they believe they do.)
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