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Jim Weirich, Creator of Rake, Has Passed Away

timothy posted about 8 months ago | from the always-sad-news dept.

Programming 109

SirLurksAlot writes "News is beginning to circulate on Twitter and various sites that Jim Weirich, the creator of Rake, has passed away at the age of 58. He was an active developer (his last commit in the last 24 hours) and has made many contributions to the Ruby community over the years, as well as being a prolific speaker and teacher. He had a great sense of humor and was beloved by many. He will be greatly missed."

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Frost0y (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299395)

He had a great sense of humor and was loved by many.
He will be greatly missed with a jar of titties.
Burma Shave

Creator of the Rake? (1, Funny)

wcrowe (94389) | about 8 months ago | (#46299439)

Wow. He must have been, like, 6,000 years old! I'm sure rakes have been around since the dawn of agriculture.

Re:Creator of the Rake? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299581)

Wow. He must have been, like, 6,000 years old! I'm sure rakes have been around since the dawn of agriculture.

was that too soon

What Now? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299585)

WTF is "Rake" and why should anyone care? I gather it's some sort of Ruby thing, but again, why should anyone care?

Re:What Now? (3, Insightful)

Camel Pilot (78781) | about 8 months ago | (#46299673)

WTF is "Rake" and why should anyone care? I gather it's some sort of Ruby thing, but again, why should anyone care?

Because Make sucks...

Re:What Now? (1, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 8 months ago | (#46300917)

Since when? Make is great. Even more so with GNU Make. It's portable, language agnostic, efficient, fast, scalable, parallelizable, easy to customize, text based, and so forth. This is why Make is still highly popular after 35 years. Yes, there are blogs that attempt to counter every one of those advantages but they also appear to be highly misinformed or biased, or they try to use make as a full all-in-one build system.

Yes, there are bad makefiles out there, but you can not prevent people using tools that they have not learned well, this is probably the biggest fault. But a fault that exists elsewhere (ie, the person trying to massively customize scons without knowing Python). I actually think that many of the problems people have when using make on bigger systems will actually happen with any automated system, the problem isn't with the tool itself but rather the lack of experience with how to manage a build of a large system, not planning ahead for the complexities that will always come, ending up with a system that was built up incrementally over years.

I'm not saying Make is perfect but I have not found alternatives that aren't bundled with their own larger set of warts. Rake is not bad (better than many of the alternatives I think), but you have to learn Ruby and its regexps to get stuff done, and it's documentation does not seem as comprehensive and clearly defined as I would like.

Re:What Now? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300995)

> you have to learn Ruby and its regexps to get stuff done
If something requires ruby to be done, it's either not worth doing or worth doing in a real language.

Re:What Now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299719)

If you don't care about ruby, you probably don't care about rake.

Re:What Now? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 8 months ago | (#46302657)

WTF is "Rake" and why should anyone care? I gather it's some sort of Ruby thing, but again, why should anyone care?

I either didn't know about Rake or Jim Weinrich before these news. It's indeed kind of awkward to hear about the software and the guy for the first time, when the developer dies.

It was the beta (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299591)

He clicked something and beta came up...

FYI (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299607)

Hi, Slashdot has sold out to Dice, and Alice Hill and her MBA goons are working hard to drive to turn this into another Slashington Post.

http://soylentnews.org/ [soylentnews.org]

Well over 2000 strong now, Dice.

Re:FYI (3, Funny)

ldephil (868060) | about 8 months ago | (#46299885)

2000 strong, but that seems to be the limit based on the 500 error I saw.

Re:FYI (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 8 months ago | (#46301327)

Gah, stuck with a 4 digit ID like some noob...

Re:FYI (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 8 months ago | (#46302623)

I don't know really. There's still some rough edges, but the Slashdot Beta isn't that painful to use anymore.

Some old guy died. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299617)

He wasn't Steve Jobs, so why do I care?

Re:Some old guy died. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301059)

You, sir, are a douche.

Re: Some old guy died. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301601)

Jim helped with the Agile Manifesto. He's there in the site's main photo. Is that reason enough to care?

Just heard this news as well (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299655)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details, except they found Slashdot Beta open on his computer screen nearby. I'm sure everyone in the Slashington community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

58 is pretty young (4, Insightful)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 8 months ago | (#46299777)

It's cool that he was still coding right up until his death, but that death was much too early.

Based on the Wikipedia photo It looks like he spent too much time improving his mind, and not enough taking care of his body.

If you look like Jim, it's time to change your diet and get active if you want a long healthy life. Tech like FitBit and Jawbone can help. Active gaming using Kinect instead of sitting with a controller, and spending 30 min a day weightlifting did wonders for me.

You'll feel better, think more clearly, and get positive attention from the opposite sex.

Re:58 is pretty young (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299887)

He didn't even lift, did he, brah?

Folks know the dangers of obesity, fuckhead. Perhaps it was a choice he made willingly. Either way, save it for another thread, douchebucket.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301073)

Let's take the "fuck" from "fuckhead", and the "bucket" from "douchebucket", and let's combine them: "fuckbucket". I think I prefer this to fuckhead and douchebucket.

Re:58 is pretty young (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299939)

We don't even know how he died, you are assuming that because he was a overweight that had something to do with it.
I hope you also realize how difficult it is to loose weight and stay fit as you age; Jim was 58.

I'm assuming you are a twenty-something pothead who thinks that everyone should aspire to your own personal lifestyle. Go fuck yourself.

Re: 58 is pretty young (1)

the_humeister (922869) | about 8 months ago | (#46300093)

Sudden death is usually due to heart attacks. Being obese doesn't help with this matter.

Re: 58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300243)

Or a car accident, or a fire, or a drug overdose, or an allergic reaction, or a murder, or .....

Re:58 is pretty young (1)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about 8 months ago | (#46301897)

"I hope you also realize how difficult it is to loose [sic] weight and stay fit as you age; Jim was 58."

Perhaps that is why they say that the best way to get in shape is not to get out of shape.

Re:58 is pretty young (1)

hondo77 (324058) | about 8 months ago | (#46308275)

I hope you also realize how difficult it is to loose weight and stay fit as you age; Jim was 58.

I hope you realize you don't know how easy it is to lose weight and get fit as you age, especially if you're starting off sedentary.

I assume you're a bitter, fat fuck trying to justify your fat fuckiness.

Re:58 is pretty young (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299947)

You'll feel better, think more clearly, and get positive attention from the opposite sex.

What if you're a homosexual? What if you're asexual? Then that wouldn't matter all that much.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300307)

Then that wouldn't matter all that much.

Yeah, but it matters enough. Being in shape (along with sleep) does help your brain, and no self-respecting nerd should underestimate that. It's also attractive, and people perceived as such are treated better ... regardless of how ridiculously unfair that is.

We do not know how this man passed on. Maybe it was while saving children from a burning bus. That said, (and here's my point) I'm surprised by the number of responses flaming the grandparent. I thought he was trying to glean something constructive -- namely, a warning -- from what was otherwise *likely* a suboptimal end to a wonderful life. I guess everybody else thought it was just insulting.

I'm sincerely not trying to judge; I could lose a few pounds myself. RIP good sir.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46303031)

I'm autosexual and I want something to look at in the mirror. Not a joke.

Re:58 is pretty young (0, Troll)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 8 months ago | (#46300163)

If you look like Jim, it's time to change your diet and get active if you want a long healthy life.

Lemme ask you a question, Mr. Flanagan: would you say those words while attending Mr. Weirich's memorial service? No?

You might want to consider using ONE standard of behavior for your social interactions - be they in cyberspace or meatspace.

Re:58 is pretty young (1)

Nimey (114278) | about 8 months ago | (#46300257)

PROTIP: Nothing is sacred on the Internet.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300259)

We aren't really at his funeral asshat.

Re:58 is pretty young (-1, Troll)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 8 months ago | (#46300295)

You might want to consider not criticizing people who encourage others to be healthier.

Re:58 is pretty young (3, Insightful)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 8 months ago | (#46300503)

You might want to consider not criticizing people who encourage others to be healthier.

I don't think posting a directive for people to change their diets and get active if they "look like Jim" (on the day of the guy's death) qualifies as encouraging others to be healthier. Frankly, it comes off as inconsiderate, disrespectful and condescending.

But thanks for your concern about everyone's health. I'm sure your internet encouragements are working wonders.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46300609)

Ir's the best time. Tragedy, and 'close calls' is the best motivator to get people started exercising.
This isn't his funeral, it's slashdot.

Re:58 is pretty young (2)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 8 months ago | (#46300817)

Ir's the best time. Tragedy, and 'close calls' is the best motivator to get people started exercising.

Tragedy and close calls that aren't close to home don't motivate squat. This is slashdot, remember?

But even if your questionable speculation above is true, you'd have to also assume that Mr. Flanagan has some magical powers that allow him to know the actual cause of Mr. Weirich's death. The fact is, he doesn't know the cause, and neither do you.

This isn't his funeral, it's slashdot.

Are you actually defending Flannigan's post? Do you really believe his completely unfounded supposition of the cause of Weirich's death? Or are you just defending idiotic behavior in general?

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46302169)

Umm, all signs and Internet Rumors (I know..) point to a heart attack. The most likely explanation is he had a heart attack.

As a fat fuck approaching 40, I actually do defend Flannigan's post. He's right, and stories like this add just a small amount to the huge list of reasons I need to stop being a fat fuck, maybe it will be the straw that broke the camel's (fat) back and cause me or someone else to think "Shit, this is for real, I could fucking keel over my keyboard at work."

None of this detracts from the sadness of this man's passing.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46303051)

A programmer's early death from a heart attack isn't close to home? Then what is?

Re:58 is pretty young (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301991)

Ir's the best time. Tragedy, and 'close calls' is the best motivator to get people started exercising.
This isn't his funeral, it's slashdot.

Diet and excercise do not guarantee you a healthy long life. People who say such things usually haven't had a weight issue despite eating badly and/or are motivated by other stuff (like selling health junk), not the health of the people they're blaming for their problems.

Re:58 is pretty young (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301237)

When is the best time then? Being pissed off about such a young death and to then tell others to look after oneself is the best way to get the message across imho.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301461)

People say different things in different context. Period. You are just trying to defend the beloved Jim. We all love him, but he's not defensible in this matter.

Since when has speaking truth become unacceptable? Flanagan is doing a great service to people who are obese by ringing the alarm bell. How do people become better, individually or collectively? By recognizing mistakes then avoiding them. If you don't even recognize how do you avoid?

Tony Jiang

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301609)

Flanagan is doing a great service to people who are obese by ringing the alarm bell.

You can't possibly believe that some guy posting a warning about obesity on the internet constitutes a great service to overweight people.

Or maybe you can. After all, there is an astonishing display of stupidity and déclassé in this discussion.

Re: 58 is pretty young (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300377)

You don't know the details of what happened. I can tell you the answer is more complicated than not spending enough time working on your body. Sometimes, due to other medical conditions, people are unable to get around like they used to when they were younger. This makes other problems harder to tackle.

By jumping to conclusions about this man, you are proving to be insensitive and offensive and I hope that you take some time and reflect on that.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300483)

I can't tell what's worse: that you said this or that enough people found it insightful.

Re:58 is pretty young (1)

Prien715 (251944) | about 8 months ago | (#46300613)

You'll feel better, think more clearly, and get positive attention from the opposite sex.

...but what if he was bi, you insensitive clod!

Re:58 is pretty young (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 8 months ago | (#46300957)

Is it cool though? I mean before I go, I'd love to take some time off first and relax.

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301393)

How is fudging around in the minutia of some obscure language "improving your mind"? History? Physics? People?

Re:58 is pretty young (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301749)

It's not. But fudging around in your mom's fudge hole has improved her mind.

Blame the guy for his death. Good one, jerk! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301937)

It's cool that he was still coding right up until his death, but that death was much too early.
Based on the Wikipedia photo It looks like he spent too much time improving his mind, and not enough taking care of his body.
If you look like Jim, it's time to change your diet and get active if you want a long healthy life. Tech like FitBit and Jawbone can help. Active gaming using Kinect instead of sitting with a controller, and spending 30 min a day weightlifting did wonders for me.
You'll feel better, think more clearly, and get positive attention from the opposite sex.

Yes you judgemental fool. Because all of us are built such that simple diet and excercise will gurantee us healthy life until we're 100. Never mind that if we all metabolized everything we ate even athletes would be the size of large houses. GROW UP!!!

Shocked (4, Insightful)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 8 months ago | (#46299799)

I was taken aback when I heard the news. My thoughts go out to his family and friends. My understanding is that it may have been a heart attack.

You will be missed Jim. RIP.

Re:Shocked (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 8 months ago | (#46302641)

My understanding is that it may have been a heart attack.

Source?

Re:Shocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46303213)

His obituary mentioned that donations should be made to the American Heart Association may be a clue that the GP was correct.

Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (-1, Offtopic)

Slashcrunch (626325) | about 8 months ago | (#46299831)

First up... Thank you for Rake, Jim. It is a great tool and I can only imagine how many tasks a day are fired off with Rake. Not to mention that you were an active member of the programming world, and a great person by all reports. You will be missed by many.

Many of you may not have heard of Jim Weirich, but that isn't the point. Through the fog of your low IQ and ignorance, you may have gleaned that someone who contributed a widely used feature for a programming language that has an active and thriving community. They appreciate his contribution greatly, and from what I have heard in the past Jim was also once of the nice guys.

The total lack of respect in the comments at the loss of someones life saddens me. Trolls have no shame of course, so I'll do something useful today instead of feeling bad about Anonymous Cowards.

The quality of the comments at Slashdot has dropped so low that they actually detract from the story, way worse than just adding nothing. I've been coming to Slashdot less and less over time because of this. Slashdot used to be *gasp!* ... a place where actual nerds (You know? Those people that care about Tech?) came to have intelligent, humorous and often vigorous discussion and debate.

I can't believe I'm suggesting this as someone that values freedom of speech, but is it time for Anonymous Coward to go? Should slashdot require a user to login before commenting? Let's face it... Anonymous Coward adds as much to a meaningful discussion as someone who drives past a coffee shop and yells out, "Look at me!". I would finally be happy to see the last of Mr Coward. You can still say whatever you want, but put your id to it.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (2)

gIobaljustin (3526197) | about 8 months ago | (#46299989)

as someone that values freedom of speech

Are you sure about that?

but is it time for Anonymous Coward to go?

I don't think so.

Let's face it... Anonymous Coward adds as much to a meaningful discussion as someone who drives past a coffee shop and yells out, "Look at me!".

Depends on the post. I've seen plenty of ACs who have posted comments I thought were insightful.

In the end, your post offended me. Time to ban Slashcrunch? Total lack of respect for my sensibilities.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46299997)

Time to ban YOU.

People like you have sat back and done nothing while the editors have dumbed down slashdot and posted more and more articles which are simply thinly disguised advertisments.

Slashdot used to be *gasp!* ... a place where actual news for nerds was posted!

It's not surprising the quality of comments have dropped - the signal is leaving and all that is left is the noise.

Sadly slashdot will soon be passing away too.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46300007)

First up, Jim's dead. He can't hear you. Maybe you should have thanked him last week?

Widely used feature? Is it?

"I can't believe I'm suggesting this as someone that values freedom of speech"
I can. most people become hypocritical when something they claim to believe in is used in away they don't happen to like.

Lets face it, a percentage of anonymous comments anywhere are, and always have been, crap. Maybe you should just read at a higher level?

See how annoying it is when some says "first off" and the never has a second?

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 8 months ago | (#46300425)

I don't think it has to be hypocritical. I can wish someone would be quiet or self censor, while at the same time respecting the right to speak. I can also appreciate there may be a time when someone wishes I would self censor and yet be glad that I would still have the right to speak if I felt compelled to do so.

In Other words I don't think a free-speech advocate is being hypocritical until he asks for someone else be censored, expressing a regret at hearing another's words is not a violation of the principle.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 8 months ago | (#46300627)

He is saying people shouldn't speak anonymously; which is the corner stone of freedom of speech.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301765)

See how annoying it is when some says "first off" and the never has a second?

Your posts are annoying for completely different reasons. Mostly douchiness.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46303247)

something they claim to believe in is used in away they don't happen to like.

Something like the English language, for example?

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300085)

I can't believe I'm suggesting this as someone that values freedom of speech, but is it time for Anonymous Coward to go
Uh, no.

That posting was nothing. Seriously. So some Anonymous Coward posted what some others probably thought after reading the Wikipedia article on Jim, and kept to themselves, or just didn't really think anything else after it, but they did think it.

BFD.

Even on comment areas that require a login to post comments can be quite disappointing to read. So, really, "Anonymous Coward" is just a red herring here.

Just look at Reddit posts to see how the lack of something like Anonymous Coward does not really change anything regarding what gets posted.

-AC

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300203)

You can still say whatever you want, but put your id to it.

1) ACTUALLY, I can say ( write ) whatever I want and YOU don't have any power over how I do that,
        unless you create your own website. Slashdot is not under your control, so if you don't like
        how they do things you'd best buy a box of Kleenex.

2) I don't have an ID because I do not WANT an ID. If I post something which breaks the law it
        is trivial for law enforcement to at least associate the post with an IP address. Even if I did use
        a user ID it would not prove that I posted it. Nor would it make any difference relative to what I
        post. All that might happen is that some douche like you would ask mods to ban me. I have been using
        various forms of what is now called the internet since its inception and I have seen it all before. Control
        freaks like you are old news.

3) It is both sad and comical that you are interested in forcing others to behave as you think best. If you
        think you ought have the power to do this, you are suffering delusions of grandeur.

4) If you are really so bothered by the posts of anonymous cowards QUIT READING SLASHDOT.

4)a) the world is bigger than you and is not going to conform to your wishes. It didn't work for
              a lot of people who had a lot more power than you have, and it is not going to work for you either.

5) I genuinely hope you find something which actually matters to worry about. Anonymous
        posting is so low on the scale of what a rational person would even care about that you come
        off like a nutcase with your rant.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (1)

Wootery (1087023) | about 8 months ago | (#46300553)

A fine example of an utter waste of space posted anonymously. I'll respond anyway...

Points 1, 3, 4, 4a, and 5 are all variations of Why bother to try to improve something?. How about actually arguing against the specific suggestion?

Also, it is nothing short of absurd to call someone a 'control freak' for suggesting that an online forum have different rules.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300699)

Why bother to try to improve something?

Your opinion is the minority opinion.

Most users value the option of AC posting and want to keep it available.

You aren't going to get your way and there's not a thing you can do about it, no
matter how superior you imagine yourself to be. Maybe you should go call your
mommy now and tell her there is a mean man on the internet ...

'

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301115)

Uh, GP isn't arguing for disallowing A/C posts, he's simply pointing out the deficiencies in GGP's reasoning.

You're probably feeling really stupid now...maybe you should try out that mommy thing for yourself.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (1)

Evil Pete (73279) | about 8 months ago | (#46300253)

Although I am tempted to agree with you I cannot. There are some topics where insider information is invaluable but identifiable posts would likely cause repercussions for the poster. We still need that. Anonymous Cowards on this topic are just that, cowards, but I don't see how we can get rid of them without getting rid of the more useful aspects of that role.

BTW, "OFF TOPIC" ... which fuckwit moderated that?

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300557)

Anonymous Cowards on this topic are just that, cowards,

Oh REALLY ?

Well then, "Evil Pete" ...

Since you're such a brave guy, why don't you post your REAL NAME and your home
address, right here on Slashdot. You know, since you are not a coward like all the anonymous
posters. What's that you say ? All kinds of funky things might happen if you post your real name
and address ? If you are not a coward that wouldn't bother you.

/

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300287)

Your mom is a whore and you sound like a nigger.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46303529)

A guess being a whore yourself makes you an expert.

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300359)

Bullshit. All I see from you registered users are trolling posts like yours and whines about the Beta disaster. I'm sure most of us that have been around for a while would prefer to go back to the old model where everyone was an AC and competed on the same level instead of the one where trolls like you take advantage of your posting bonus instead of being willing to have your posts stand on their own merit. I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that /. was better and certainly more technically oriented before user accounts were added.

    -- Proud AC since Oct '98

Re:Time to ban Anonymous Coward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300389)

Four of my last seven posts have been moderated to +4 or higher. Are you going to claim my posts are useless? Guess what. I've been here since before you registered users existed, and I'm sure I'll be here longer after you "take advantage of the registered user bonus" people are long gone. Slashdot has simply gone downhill since adding user accounts. That is undeniable.

not a surpise - coders should take notice (4, Interesting)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 8 months ago | (#46299975)

It's a great shame that he died so young but let's be honest, this isn't exactly surprising. If you're a developer it seems this outcome is far more likely than you'll live to be happy and fit into your 80's or 90's.

What's sad is some people will throw away their youth working excessive hours for some employer that won't care about them only to die in their 50's and they won't be famous enough to get all the kind messages like Jim has. Though I'm sure Jim rather be alive than having people saying nice things about him now.

We should recognise programming isn't necessarily a safe job and demand better rights.

Re:not a surpise - coders should take notice (2)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 8 months ago | (#46300353)

Being a developer means that I have to sit in one place for 8 hours a day. What I do for the other 8 hours awake is up to me, and has nothing to do with my employer.

Like most people here I spend a lot of time on the computer at home as well, but It only takes an hour a day of exercise to stay very fit. I know it can be hard to get motivated to get up and get active, but it's really worth it. You only get one body. Make the most of it.

Re:not a surpise - coders should take notice (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 8 months ago | (#46300497)

Except many programmers don't do just 8 hours and even if they did, I'm not sure you can imply that's healthy. I don't think anyone ever thought it was healthy and it's a reason women who had life long jobs in factories often had nasty legs. Even if you weren't coding it's impossible to be moving about all evening so even combing a few hours of sitting at home with sitting all day and, if you drive then you've easily spent the bulk of the day on your ass even if you're active most of the evening.

Re:not a surpise - coders should take notice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300667)

Being a developer means that I have to sit in one place for 8 hours a day.

When you say "I" in that sentence, I assume it's rhetorical. That, or you have the cushiest development job in the history of the universe.

Re:not a surpise - coders should take notice (2)

BetterThanCaesar (625636) | about 8 months ago | (#46303177)

There's actually a lot of evidence that sitting down the majority of your awake time (8+ hours) is itself bad for the body, and cannot be made up for with physical exercise. Working a few hours standing up and being mildly active (i.e. taking walks) during free time is better. Of course, one hour spent at the gym is better than one more hour in the couch. I'm just saying that if you have the opportunity to work standing up, it is likely worth a lot more than you think!

Re:not a surpise - coders should take notice (1)

Vyse of Arcadia (1220278) | about 8 months ago | (#46303407)

You only work 8 hours a day? You lucky dog.

Re:not a surpise - coders should take notice (1)

Xest (935314) | about 8 months ago | (#46303603)

"What I do for the other 8 hours awake is up to me"

Lucky you, some of us don't get to live in our mothers basement for all eternity though and have to deal with everything from doing house choirs, to cooking food, to looking after kids, to spending time with our partners, to doing DIY jobs, to doing food shopping, to reading about new things to stay relevant and employable, to paying bills to getting the car fixed, and so on.

Now don't get me wrong, I did 35hrs a week study whilst also working 40hrs a week to get a second degree, and still had time to do some hobbies and spend time with my girlfriend so I know as well as anyone about time management. But if you think most people just work 8 hours and then have 8 hours of freedom to spend doing whatever they want then you really need to grow up and understand that not everyone has the luxury of zero responsibilities.

For most people it's nothing to do with being lazy or unmotivated, it's genuinely about lack of time.

I'm fortunate that I have a mile walk each way to/from the train station to my office and dogs to walk when I get home such that I get my exercise doing things I'd need to do anyway, but that's not the norm for most people.

Besides, I don't think it's even really fair to judge how people live their lives regardless - some people may feel that dying young but living smart by constantly learning is better than living long and living stupid. Others will be happy trying to maintain a reasonable balance.

How dramatic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300397)

Face it. Jim had a discipline problem concerning putting stuff in his mouth.

Re:How dramatic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300975)

While you, on the other hand, have a discipline problem concerning stuff coming out of your mouth.

Re:not a surpise - coders should take notice (1)

mwehle (2491950) | about 8 months ago | (#46300445)

It's a great shame that he died so young but let's be honest, this isn't exactly surprising. If you're a developer it seems this outcome is far more likely than you'll live to be happy and fit into your 80's or 90's.

You've certainly got that right - the developer's life is a dangerous one, fraught with peril. To write code is to live fast and often to die young.

Re:not a surpise - coders should take notice (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 8 months ago | (#46302183)

I was with you until the last sentence, then you went off the fucking rails.

We should recognise programming isn't necessarily a safe job and demand better rights.

Lolwut? Programming is a very safe job. I think you should go to a coal mine and tell the miners about how dangerous your job is and that they should punch you in the forehead and walk away laughing and shaking their heads in disbelief.

We don't need any more rights. As a fat programmer, I don't blame my job I blame me for stuffing my face and not exercising enough. I don't need to "demand better rights" to solve either of those issues.

All that for a sub-par build system (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300129)

What's sad is that in the end, his work only amounted to a sub-par build system.

Re:All that for a sub-par build system (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300189)

On the one hand, it's cool that the build system uses the same syntax as the language it's intended to build. On the other hand, it's Ruby so it sucks.

Re:All that for a sub-par build system (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300953)

What's sad is that in the end, his work only amounted to a sub-par build system.

An even sadder legacy would be where one's work only amounted to A/C posts on slashdot. Oh wait....

Re:All that for a sub-par build system (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 8 months ago | (#46302667)

At least I like for someone to keep my air conditioning information up to date.

Jim will be Missed (5, Insightful)

newlife007 (1928394) | about 8 months ago | (#46300315)

Jim was a great guy with a good sense of humor. He was very active in the Linux and Programming here in the Cincinnati area. I have known Jim for over 20 years and he will be missed by many. He was a very avid Ruby supporter and also of OpenSource. It is great to see him mentioned here on Slashdot, but a shame to hear the poor comments made about a man who cared about what he did. Free speech or not, it is nice to be respected.

Uninitialized Constant... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300383)

... of life. Last rake task failed.

Dependency Injection (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300475)

With the general consensus being a Dependency Injection tool is not necessary in Ruby, I found it interesting that Jim had a minimal little DI container called DIM: https://github.com/jimweirich/dim

Please write better summaries (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 8 months ago | (#46300571)

It would have taken all of three words to give those of us who are not developers a hint about what "Rake" is.

I mean, for chrissake...

Re:Please write better summaries (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 8 months ago | (#46301753)

Well, some kind of explanation would be nice, but it's not as easy as it might seem.

If you're a developer, an explanation such as "It's kind of like make for Ruby" might suffice. But really, it's not quite like make, and strictly speaking it's not just for Ruby. So more than a very basic comparison with make gets pretty complicated.

And if you're not a developer... well, it's a tool that tells compilers how to compile source code into programs. Sort of.

Re:Please write better summaries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46302187)

Hey, asshole. That colored text is something you can click on, and it will take you to another page with details about the highlighted words.

Fucking dumbass.

Re:Please write better summaries (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 8 months ago | (#46302681)

Apparently it does not take much to make you grumpy. :D

another fat fuck dies (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46300575)

start exercising, coders, or die. seriously

Summary is incorrect (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 8 months ago | (#46300603)

Jim was 57, not 58.

RIP

R.I.P. (3, Informative)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#46300649)

I used to debate Jim on Usenet about software design. He was one of the best debate partners I've ever encountered. He was patient, detailed, articulate, asked good questions, and was honest when he could only provide anecdotal information instead of directly inspect-able evidence. (An example is measuring grokkability of code or designs to typical maintenance developers.)

A good many debaters turn it into a personal credibility battle when faced with anecdote-versus-anecdote impasses. Jim knew to let it go and let the stalemate be.

We'll miss you Jim! You set a great example.

-Tablizer

If you don't know Jim, check confreaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46301011)

http://www.confreaks.com/presenters/24-jim-weirich

Condolences (1)

assemblerex (1275164) | about 8 months ago | (#46301429)

Someone who gives so selflessly will be missed.

Roman Numeral Code Kata (1)

the-matt-mobile (621817) | about 8 months ago | (#46301811)

I saw Jim present this at the StirTrek conference in Columbus in 2012. It was a really good presentation. Life is short and we aren't promised a tomorrow, but this guy clearly was doing what he was passionate about. http://bostonrb.org/presentati... [bostonrb.org]
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